Thanks to the list and a bit of fiddling, I now have a working https. However, netscape tells me it's only 40 bit encrypted when it notices that it's self-signed. How can I have it 128 bit? I initially have just used the example that came with apache-ssl. [Apache 1.3.0, ssl0.9b, Red Hat Linux i386 v5.1] Thanks Robert McArthur